The Bammy Way: Intentional Marriage AND Career Prosperity with Bernie & Tammy Miller

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hey, uncommon Leaders, welcome back. This is the Uncommon Leader podcast and I'm your host, john Gallagher. Today I bring you a conversation that promises to inspire and educate and will also make you laugh with my special guest, bernie and Tammy Miller, also known together as BAMI. These two talented, successful business leaders have crafted a life path together, overcoming trials and redefining standards in the realms of business and life, specifically marriage my conversation with them about their unique perspectives and how they've listed some powerful counsel on how married couples can max out their relationships in 2024, while also thriving in their careers. So sit back, tune in and get ready for an episode filled with wisdom, insight and some truly uncommon leadership lessons. Let's get started. Bernie and Tammy Miller BAMI Miller together, it's so great to have you on the Uncommon Leader podcast. I'm excited about our conversation today. How are you both doing?

Speaker 2: 0:58

We are fantastic. Thank you so much for having us, John.

Speaker 1: 1:01

I'm excited about the conversation and glad you invested the time with the listeners as well. One of the things I'll start you both off with, I'll give you a chance to both answer the question. It's my first time. Guest always answers. Tell me a story from your childhood that still impacts who you are today, as a leader or as a person.

Speaker 3: 1:19

I grew up in Denver, colorado. When I was a little boy I went to my dad and we were in the suburbs of Denver, there, kind of middle-classish, and I said, dad, hey, all my friends, they're getting an allowance, like, they get, like I don't know, a dollar a week. They're taking out the trash, I mean all this stuff that I do. So what do you think I think I need an allowance? So, man, my dad got my mom and put his arm around me and he said, son, listen, our family's special okay, and like my sister's special needs. And my parents were Nebraska farmers, my dad was a realtor, my mom, you know Hispanic descent, and he said we don't share money inside the family. We go to other families and we get their money. And so I'm a little I'm like, okay, that sounds pretty good, what do I do? So long story short. You know, he went to the hardware store. We got a lawn mower, we got a trimmer, went up and down the street and I got like seven lawn mowing jobs and so that summer I mowed lawns and I still have. I wrote it all down a little notebook, all my documentation of this, and so the first year I did that I made $800, ends up about that's pretty good, right. So we, you know, like six bucks at a time, right? This was, you know a long time ago. And so we go to the bank and you know it's so funny, john, I still have the past book and my interest rate on my first CD was like 14.5% on the CD, right. So that was interesting. And I get my account and I get my money back and it's only $400. And I'm like dad, what's going on? I gave you $800 and now you gave me back $400. And he said you know what, son, congratulations, you've learned a great lesson. You now own your business, right? You own your lawn mower, you own your trimmer, and you know. So I really think back about that and it's a funny story. And oh, by the way, john, I was 12 years old that was 1982, right, but I mean in that my parents taught me to run a business to save, to have pride in that. And man, I think back at that sometimes when I'm having a bad day at work or whatever, and just think about the little basics, the basics of, you know, making money, saving money, giving money, and I think that was a great lesson my folks taught me. So kind of fun.

Speaker 1: 3:37

Well, certainly putting you in a business where you are today with regards to living in the mortgage world, how important that is to understand the numbers. And at 12 in Denver, colorado, my guess is you had to also and if you wanted to keep it going, you had to invest in some snow removal equipment as well. You had to go forward. The summer season isn't quite long enough to make that happen, so I can imagine what I appreciate you sharing that, I think, as I think about those stories going back in my time. Yeah, I didn't get that dollar allowance either. I need to check with my dad as well, but that was something I think I was 15 before I really got started. But anyway, that's pretty cool how he taught you that lesson as well, how the number was diminished. Ok, what about you, tammy? What was something in your childhood that impacts who you are today?

Speaker 2: 4:20

So it's a combination of when my mom immigrated us here from South Korea 47 years ago now, when I was two, and that experience of working in small business with her working alongside of her, so it being a family business like you did it for the family, and she was a single mom. She had $300, a two-year-old and five Korean blankets to sell and she's probably we are the example of the American dream. I think she realized that then she puts it all into me, wanting me to get all the degrees and the education and the certifications and all the letters behind your name. And here I go and at the age of 16, I get pregnant and I have my first daughter just past 17, summer, between junior and senior year in high school, and then here I am with a child, with a child, and what I realized is I realized that the adults make the decisions and then the children have to live with them and no one's given a manual and it's kind of like you write the manual as you go or you learn to ask better questions and have better examples of what it looks like, and so fast forward to that. I then I realized I was looking in life for the traditional family for the mom, the dad, the children. And I really wasn't looking for a husband. I didn't know what questions to ask to look for a good partner. I just knew that I wanted it to be a family right, kind of like have the mother figure, the father figure, the children looking up and this harmonious kind of the Facebook type family right, the picture perfect family. But that really I think I look back at that and I go, hmm, we need to get a manual. The children nor the adults. So seeking good counsel as I got older and aligning with the people that I wanted my life to look like that really made a difference when I looked back at things.

Speaker 1: 6:33

I certainly think again in terms of surrounding your people today, as we know how important that is to have good advisors, good mentors in our lives in many different areas spiritual, emotional, on the physical side, when we're training and certainly from a business standpoint, it takes a lot and, you're right, it absolutely feels like, especially as entrepreneurs, often that we're building that airplane as we fly it as a helicopter pilot. In terms of Bernie, in terms of what you had as well, you don't want to be building that thing and flying it at the same time, but it happens in life. That really is and that probably does. Fast forward to today, at least what I've got a chance to chat with you about, even before we hit the record button. Today. You're both very successful seven figure entrepreneurs, married and, as both of you being as busy as you are just at trying to do work, the playbook for having that work in terms of marriage and family and all those other things is difficult to learn as well. So, fast forward to today. You and I the three of us are on this phone call talking about BAMI for life and the coaching business that you all were getting started with regards to helping driven professionals succeed at both their marriage or their life and in business. So what inspired the two of you to really start the? If I'm saying that incorrectly, I've seen the website BAMI for life.

Speaker 3: 8:02

Yeah, no, I mean, you know, john great question we get this a lot and I think you know, I think and again, we're very faith-based as well and I think you know you get called and I really do believe that you know you get called to serve. You've got to figure out what that means to you and I certainly think it changes as we as we move forward. So Tammy and I were, blessed to you know, have first marriages and I certainly don't think we regret that. I think we learned a whole bunch from you know, from from failed first marriages and we've been now remarried for seven years and when we went, when we got married, we got married in the Catholic church. We were very grateful to be able to do that and we had to go through pre-Kana class. So obviously, pre-kana you've got to go for a whole day, the way Chicago does it, and you kind of take a class all day and another married couple kind of guides you through this syllabus of some of its spiritual and some of its common sense how to communicate, how to, how to fight and have conflict right. And so we sat there and of course we were the oldest couple in the room, a lot of young, first time married couples and you know it kind of hit us that, you know, I think I think God is calling us maybe to start here to serve together. So we got certified and we started doing that. And then, of course, we do a lot of public speaking in the, in the, in the lending and business community, and every time we'd come off a stage or every time we get done with pre-Kana, we'd have people come up wow, you know, together, you know we love your guys' message, we love your energy. I think this is powerful and it kind of helped us understand that maybe God was calling us to, you know, to help improve the marriages out there. And I think that's what we're now, that's where we're at and that's what we're trying to, you know, trying to drive to. I don't know what do you think, honey? Pretty close spot on.

Speaker 2: 9:56

Yeah, when, when people are going, ok, you're a couple goals, we're like OK, and so we realized that we had frameworks. We were working through year after year to keep our marriage strong, being faith based. You know we have God in the middle as the ultimate magnet and just snaps us back, and that was really something that we then felt called to share.

Speaker 1: 10:21

I love the inspirational side of that, from a faith standpoint and also, you know, from your learning experiences back to talked about, there wasn't really a playbook or a recipe book for how to raise a child, or you know how to be an adult and things like that. Oftentimes we learn from each other's mistakes when it comes to marriage as well, and how we can have wisdom. That's how we get wisdom. You know we both are working with an organization where the CEO says you know you're most powerfully positioned to help the person that you used to be and I love I love the faith side, as I just listen and summarize in terms of where you were is that you mentioned being called, and God doesn't always call the qualified, but he qualifies the called. Once he gets you started, he gets you in an area that says it's time for you to help out and then you're going to learn it along the way, and so when you think about that, like you've been, you've been doing this kind of we'll call it the driven professional marriage coaching for just a little while and you get a chance to work with the folks in pre cana, the classes that are helping there, but also in the business side. What are some of the things that you see over and over again with regards to conflict or barriers in a marriage, when it comes to those two successful business people as well?

Speaker 2: 11:41

I think you see similar things in business and it's you know how to run a successful business starts from home, and it's you know number one, it's making sure you can't pour from an empty cup. So you have to take care of yourself first. And I had an old mentor share this with me. I was, I think I was getting a little bippy about you know someone, and and she looked at me and she said you know, why don't you learn how to clean your own room first? And it gave me reason for pause and I appreciate Debbie for that comment many, many years ago. And so if you take care of yourself and that was our commitment to ourself and we got married I will make sure I'm the best me for you and you will make sure you're the best me, you for me. And that really made the difference. Then now working towards, you know, bettering the communication Right. So first it comes with self, then it comes with the communication, just learning how to communicate and ask better questions. But first that comes with assessing where are you, where do you want to go, then communicating that and having vision and goals behind it, you know, and being excited and maybe sometimes being exhausted because you're trying so hard to make it the best you can make it Right, just like Ed my let will say, you know, max it out as much as you can because, who knows, maybe we have another 10 minutes, maybe we have another 10 years, maybe we have another 100 years, who knows? But I think there's, there's certain tenants to making sure you're good, making sure you're, you're assessing and then building some goals and some vision and then looking back and celebrating the successes. Because it is this is an Ed my let you know code as well. Right, we do overestimate sometimes what we can do in a year, but we for sure underestimate what gets done in a decade. And you do have to celebrate the successes. You know, don't, don't stain it too long, right, kind of be happy about it, know you achieved it, set bigger goals, have bigger vision, but I miss them. No, I love it, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1: 13:52

So when you, first of all, I love to start with self in terms of understanding that if I can't take care of myself first, if I can't I think we said keep your own kitchen cleaned up first, how can you expect to work together in the kitchen to make that happen? And so let me ask you, before we kind of dive in some of the tactics of that, for for you all specifically, what are some of the ways in which each of you kind of take care of yourself first to make sure you can be the best person for each other?

Speaker 3: 14:25

Yeah, I think you have to. You really have to look at that person that you're married to and commit, and this is very difficult, right, and we'll ask this question in a lot of our seminars, right? Okay, should you be 50, 50? I'm gonna think about myself, I'm gonna think about her. Maybe it's 60, 40, right, but what the Bible would tell us, and what it really is, is you should 100%, I am 100% committed to trying to make Tammy happy all the time, whatever that means. And so some of the frameworks behind that, john, is things I'm sure you practice love languages, knowing the love language Tammy, certainly one of her love languages between quality time and access service. So, every single morning, every morning, whether we're traveling, unless we're not together, generally we're together. I am a morning person, old army guy, right, I'm up at 4.45,. I've got my morning routine right. Tammy is not a morning person. She is slow to rise, okay, and so I'll get up at about 5.30, I will go up and I will bring her a cup of coffee. She's got her toffee nut coffee. I'll make her a cup of coffee, a little creamer in there, I'll microwave for 30 seconds and I'll bring it up and put her glasses on her proper up in bed and she's, all you know, delirious. But I do that every single day and I just think knowing those little access service is part of it. But you've got to be committed to making that person happy and really be intentional about it. I think that's part of our framework is the intentionality around that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1: 16:05

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Speaker 2: 16:45

And I think routines are very important as well. You know, having your morning routines, your evening routines that fill again going back to the self right that fill your cup Like I am always encouraged and pushed to be better myself with Bernie's morning routine. He journals every single morning and typically there's gratitude in there, there's thoughts of what was swirling around in his head as he slept. He has a hydration routine, he has a supplement routine, he has a physical activity routine and he keeps to this routine and he tracks it all. He has a daily rhythm tracker where he tracks his activities and you know sometimes of the year we're on it better than others. Sometimes you go on a vacation, you fall off even a few days afterwards. Sometimes the holidays get you a little off kilter. You know, the kids are back, all back in the house and we're just a little. Maybe we're celebrating more than we typically do and we're out with friends a little bit longer. But you know, just tracking it and going, am I hitting my daily goals? Because the compound effect of that is really what is. I think it just amazing when you think of what happens when you know what you're doing on a regular basis, Because when you are then off, track right Is are you reading, like I know one of our goals for next year is to read the Bible in a year. So did you do your 20 to 30 minute devotion every day? And I think that is just the routines, just, and it doesn't have to be a hundred things. How about do 10 things a hundred to 200 times really well versus? You know, sometimes we want to list off like a hundred items and then we do three of them, maybe okay. So tracking, I think, is a big one and I'm so encouraged by him I see that he does it and it's really encouraging to me, right for me to get better. I think our spouses are a great mirror to our best selves. We are for each other. We're here to witness the best part of our lives together.

Speaker 1: 18:57

Absolutely. I love that in terms of the Bible in a year, putting that together as a specific goal to work on together. So you still have individual goals. You mentioned the daily routine that Bernie goes through, but you also have those goals that are important as a couple. So what are one or two others that either you have as a couple or those that you might teach others to be successful? What could be good goals for married couples? Again, they're busy executives.

Speaker 3: 19:26

Yeah, you know, again, goals are different for everybody, right? So I think part of our frameworks and this time of year we're doing a lot of this in our coaching, you know, making people figure out where they're at. I think, you know, john, we do a piece on stage. We kind of prove to people that they spend, you know, 40 hours at least a week on work, like really focused on work, maybe more, probably 50, right? So two people spending 50 hours, that's 100 hours a week they're spending on work, and then they have a hard time helping us understand. Maybe even one hour they spend on their marriage with each other, you know, sitting down, whether it's goal setting or just having, you know, talk time allocated, you know 30 minutes a day, right, so it starts there, and so we have them assess. You know, some of the key areas in their life. You know, maybe a couple of things they're really struggling with now. So that could be self, that could be financial. You know it could be, you know, in their faith, right, because you know successful people suffer from what we call dutyful distractions. So they aren't distractions like email and, you know, social media. No, they have, like, three kids under the age of six. That's an important distraction.

Speaker 1: 20:46

You're going to have to deal with that right and work and everything else.

Speaker 3: 20:50

So therefore, they've got to sit down and figure out where they're you know just a couple of areas and then we'll have them set a couple of goals in each of these areas for the year. And I think something we've done that has really been helpful is five-year vision. We do a five-year vision with our coaching couples every year and you would be shocked, actually, john, you wouldn't be shocked, because you do this stuff for a living when you put down a five-year vision and you stick that thing on your bedroom mirror and you look at it every day. It's amazing how quickly you get to that goal and then you can make a new one, right. So we're just constantly surprised how people do this really successful people do it at work every year and it never occurred to them to do it with their spouse.

Speaker 1: 21:46

You've talked a little bit about those and if you're using the term workshop, so the time that you get to spend with your clients, maybe we move through some of those barriers and even some of the goals. But tell me a little. What is the process of your workshop? What makes it different than somebody just picking up a book off the shelf and saying this is how I'm gonna improve my marriage. What is the value and the value add, the uncommon in a workshop where folks would attend with you?

Speaker 2: 22:15

Well, first of all, we're safe space and I think that is. We're not there to judge If you've been in a relationship for a few years or even a few months. Sometimes there had been certain things that had happened that can quiet both sides. So we're the safe space and it's coming to. We're non-concelling, we're non-clinical. This is coaching to max out your marriage. So, when you have high achievers, all we're doing is opening up their imagination and vision for what Bernie already said, what they do at work, they're just shifting it to the homestead and it's opening up those conversations. So, in a workshop, first of all, they're together and it's quiet. It's four hours to do this one particular workshop and what's awesome about it is we start with the SWOT analysis and we go through strengths and weaknesses, opportunities and threats, and we do this every year. Sometimes people are like, wow, every year you do this. It's like, well, yeah, because things change every year. I mean what do you think? In 19,? We thought that we were gonna have the 2020 that we had Right. I mean, okay, and then in 2022, did we think that was going to happen? Whatever it may be, I mean, look at your 1980 versus your 1990, but it goes so fast. So it's dedicated time on their marriage. And when high achievers find the energy and they get a little taste of it and they will rocket fuel this thing straight up and it's so exciting to them because they feel it again. It's there again. And when you bring that live now we do do this workshop virtually as well, but you can still feel it. You can even see, we can see it Like in their eyes, like I've had a couple of people already go. When's the next one? I'm like, oh, we just booked it, it's in February, I'll get you the date. And they're like I just wanna make sure that we do that again. It was enlightening, we've had one of the best years, and when you hear that from couples coming back around, it is just it's awesome because it makes them wanna build bigger goals and bigger vision. For then here's what's super cool Our kids now do it with us. And what was awesome and the biggest testament is Henry came home from West Point. I mean, he came home yesterday afternoon and one of his first questions is what day are we doing vision boards and goal setting with the family? Yeah, and he's 18, gonna be 19 in March.

Speaker 1: 25:01

Very cool.

Speaker 2: 25:02

That was cool.

Speaker 1: 25:04

No, that's the exact almost led right into my or you answered my next question because I wanted to like so. I heard that the dedicated time is very important. So four hours focused on nothing but going through this assessment and talking about tactics to go forward. You read it in a book, 10 minutes at a time. You kind of set it down. You're not doing it together in a dedicated space. So I can see that in value. You're doing it with other couples who have been through this before in terms of the trials and tribulations that is a marriage and raising a family and doing business and all those things together, and then I can see that as value as well, even from a virtual standpoint, to get that focused time. That can be pretty important. Is there a specific? Maybe you've got your win. Is there a specific I'll call it a client Is there a specific participant in the workshop that had a breakthrough win that it just has made you all really proud to be coaches in terms of the work that you do. You don't share their name, but just maybe an example.

Speaker 3: 26:01

So we had a client and we had coached, we had done a series of workshops for a third party organization that brought us in to consult on kind of this stuff, right. And so in September we did a keynote for that organization with down to Orlando and talked about kind of some of these frameworks and this young lady who we'd never met in person because all these workshops had been virtual, we had talked about in one of our frameworks is certainly about time and time blocking and sharing calendars. I think a lot of when you're trying to find things that are gonna add stress in a relationship. Right, time is one of them and I think we've all and, john, I'm sure you've experienced this you had some kind of business in her plan. You forgot to tell your wife or vice versa, and there's just disappointment like little things you could have avoided, right Cause you didn't have your calendar together. So she was talking about some disconnection and we had recommended to her time blocking your personal life, including intimacy, including sex, and people laughed at that, but she took it to heart. So she came to us after the keynote and she told us she's like you know what. You guys said that and I got with my husband and we have a good marriage, so we're not like unhappy. And he thought I was crazy and we started to do it. And he came to me a couple of weeks ago and he says you know what, honey, that was the smartest thing you ever did. It was just this has been so great and I feel like we're connected again. And literally, john, she said to us she's like it's just like, you know, the first year we were married again and you know, you hear that you're like, wow, that is amazing, right.

Speaker 2: 27:39

They've been married 12 years and just like we don't have a bad marriage. But we had kind of lost the spark because of the dutiful distractions of work. Many of us are sandwiched. We have our parents that we're taking care of and our children that we're taking care of. And so that was, I mean, the biggest smiles on her which then? transferred to us and it was it just really. It really reinforces that. Sometimes you hear the, you get the compliment back, you get the oh it worked. And other times you're like, okay, god, we're just doing what we're doing.

Speaker 3: 28:24

But could you give us a side?

Speaker 2: 28:26

maybe a little encouragement, and that's what Chanel was.

Speaker 1: 28:29

Yeah, you need that once in a while. That's right. I mean, those are the ones that keep you going in terms of you know when the struggle is as an entrepreneur, as you're trying to build this business, and things like that. You need stories like that Me first. I am a big fan of time blocking, no doubt about it. In terms of you know putting the important things on the calendar first to make sure those are those are really there, because the fact is, if you don't plan your time, somebody else will, and so you might as well put it on there first so that it doesn't get, even though the dutiful distractions I love that term that you use life is going to happen. There's no doubt it's going to get disrupted. But you identify what's non-negotiable on that time block and if it gets interrupted by one of those dutiful distractions, you got to move it around. Make sure you accomplish that so. I love that in the story and that's a fun story to share as well. So I guess, as we move into a time, dutiful distraction that is, you know, the end of a year 2023, 2023, we're moving into 2024, we're setting new goals, we're getting excited, new Year's resolutions and we want to get all these things really better. What are three tactics that you would suggest? I say maybe each of you give me one or two tactics that successful married couples can implement for a more successful 2024. You touched on a few of them, but what are the ones that you really think are going to be important going into this year?

Speaker 3: 29:49

Yeah, I for sure you know the goal setting piece, or you know just sitting down with each other and saying, ok, let's write down three things that we want to accomplish this year, and it doesn't have to necessarily be, you know, love, life or money or take a vacation, but it could be all those things right. But just we just find that you know, in business we are driving towards a goal, like we've been trained to do that, but but at home we're just kind of surviving, where you know I'm going to come home, I'm going to do the kid's soccer game, we're going to make dinner, we're going to go to bed again. You get in these. You know just some, you know some boredom a little bit. So from me it would be number one, having three goals together that you're aligned with and they are going down that road. And then I would say number two and you know, kind of stealing this from from Brendan Bouchard, who I love to follow, he's another great guy is making sure when we're planning you know I think you hear the term, john date nights all the time, like people that do what we do, you know, have a date and and that's important, I think, trying to have a date night once a week seems realistic. But I mean, you got three little kids and maybe mom, and you know the grandparents aren't close by. It can be really hard. But when you do have that date night, you know, have some aliveness, do have some differentiation, have a different experience, maybe because that it's been proven that you know, add to happiness. But then I would also say you've got to rate your date, so set some expectations, honey. What would make this date night an eight or a nine out of 10, you know, and well you know, it'd be great to get outside, it'd be great to do whatever it is. And then that way, when the date's over, you know you've actually, you know, gotten there, and then you make sure you've done that. We coach a lot of folks that'll have date nights and they just they then become kind of you know, just stagnant too and you know you got to change it. So that will be a couple of things from my side, that tactics I would give as we go into the next year.

Speaker 2: 32:02

Okay, so a couple of mine are. One is ask your spouse at the end of every week hey, how'd I do this week? Yeah, just directly ask. But then you have to Shut your trap and listen. It's not meant to be something to defend, it's meant to just take the information how do I do this week? Is there something I could have done better? It's on my list to ask Bernie that. Then I think the other is just sharing your business goals. We have the pleasure of working together in this marriage coaching business and we also work together in the mortgage space. But if you're running in two separate directions professionally or maybe one works outside the home and one works inside the home, share those goals and then, to Bernie's point, have some shared goals. So we are still individuals and we need to be able to highlight the strengths of our individuality and then come together and have a couple shared goals. So you know you're aligned and moving in the right direction as a couple. And again, ours is because God is our magnet. It's to go to church and we found a new community that we're really enjoying and then reading the Bible, and that's what strengthens us. So those would be a couple ideas that others can take from as well.

Speaker 1: 33:44

Love that Goal setting very important, having those things to go forward. Sharing goals if you're not in the same working space, I think can be very important If you don't know what's needed to be required from the other. That can absolutely be a conflict, especially when it comes to time and time being locked out. And I love the reflection at the end of each week in terms of what went well, what could have gone better. I often add myself. I add what do we need to keep doing, start doing and stop doing? To that, after we have that discussion in terms of saying what are the disciplines that are going to help us get out of what's not going very well? So that can be really cool. Well, how do folks stay in touch with you and learn more about you, bernie and Tammy, or Bami?

Speaker 3: 34:23

Go ahead then.

Speaker 2: 34:24

So you know, I think, well, our social handles on Instagram. Bernie is earn with burn and I'm working wife with a life. Okay, so follow us on IG. Otherwise, you know, go to our website If you're wondering. You know how is my marriage, you want to kind of track how your marriage is, so go to our website. It is Bami for Life, Bami B-A-M-M-Y, that's Bernie and Tammy, that's our couple name, Bamiforlifecom, and take the quick assessment and it'll give you some kind of grading down at the bottom and then reach out to us if we can ever help you. We do have a workshop coming up in the middle of February I want to say it's February 17th, but we can definitely get you that information and we'd love to, just you know, give you some more tactics, help you max out your marriage, Because really, when you max that out, your mojo is off the charts.

Speaker 1: 35:22

Everything else works.

Speaker 2: 35:23

It really does.

Speaker 1: 35:25

It really does. You had that on the max out your marriage and max out your mojo, absolutely in terms of what's possible, excellent. Well, I've enjoyed our conversation today, no doubt about it. I want to finish you all as first-time guests, with the same question, same opportunity I always give my first-time guests to share with the listeners, and that's I'm giving you a billboard. Chicago, you can find one that somebody will drive by. It's probably an electronic one now, I'm not sure, but either way, I'm going to let you put whatever message you want to put on that billboard. And I'll start with you, bernie what message do you put on that billboard and why do you put that message on there?

Speaker 3: 35:56

Oh man, I'm going to steal. I'm going to steal the one Tammy wrote. We wore game this out before we got on. Only one.

Speaker 1: 36:02

Only one. Ok, all right good.

Speaker 3: 36:04

And I think at the top I would put marriage right to alert people to their marriage. And it would be why settle for good when it could be orgasmic? Why wouldn't you want an orgasmic marriage? And you've got to invest in that, you've got to get intentional about that. But I think that that's it, just to make people think like, wow, I wonder what that's going to look like.

Speaker 1: 36:30

That'll get them thinking That'll tell them wow, absolutely, that's uncommon, absolutely no doubt about it.

Speaker 2: 36:36

And then I would just say Bami for lifecom.

Speaker 1: 36:39

That's all we need to say yeah, that's all needs to say right, yeah, that's our five-year vision.

Speaker 3: 36:45

John, that's going to be our Super Bowl commercial.

Speaker 1: 36:47

OK, all right, 30 seconds, there we go. It'll just pop up there, that'll be it. They don't have to say anything.

Speaker 2: 36:52

Oh, the QR code, just a website.

Speaker 1: 36:53

There you go, a little QR code. You got it. Yeah, I love it. Bernie and Tammy, it's been great chatting with you today. I wish you the best in the future. I hope we stay connected, obviously through Brand Builders Group, in terms of the community that we have there, but also in the future. Best wishes, ok.

Speaker 2: 37:09

Yes, I love it. Thanks so much, john, we appreciate it. Thanks, john, go be the Buffalo.

Speaker 1: 37:16

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