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The reason the enemy's been fighting you is not because you're weak, but it's because you're strong, and the only way he could keep you down was in your self-esteem, in your story that you're ashamed to tell.
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He can only do that as long as you give him the power.
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He has no power, in fact.
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He is so scared of you that he looks under his bed every night to see if you're under there.
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Like he knows your power because God created you there.
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Like he knows your power because God created you.
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Hey, uncommon Leaders, welcome back.
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This is the Uncommon Leader podcast and I'm your host, john Gallagher.
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In today's episode, I've got a rousing conversation with Kim Jones, also known as Real Talk Kim joining us on the podcast to share her incredible journey from overcoming adversity to empowering others through her pastoring, coaching, prayer calls and her new book, unstuck 90 Days of Inspiration, encouragement and the Promise of New Life.
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Kim's story is a testament to the power of embracing discomfort and transforming self-perception, from her childhood in a strict preacher's home to her own personal transformation in ministry.
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Kim's insights on self-compassion, purposeful living and the impact of sharing our stories are bound to ignite a fire in your soul.
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Kim Jones, what a pleasure it is to have you on the Uncommon Leader podcast.
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I'm so looking forward to our conversation today.
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How are you doing?
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I'm so wonderful and I love the name of your podcast Uncommon Leaders.
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Well, I know that having you on here I mean, that's what we try to have is uncommon guests as well, and, as I've done my prep, I am so excited to get into some of the things that you're doing as a leader, as a pastor, as an entrepreneur and sharing with the listeners of the Uncommon Leader podcast.
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It entrepreneur and sharing with the listeners of the Uncommon Leader podcast.
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It's going to be great, but I always start my first time guests with the same question and I won't let you off the hook either, and that's to tell me a story from your childhood that still impacts who you are today as a person or as a leader.
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You know, I was raised in a preacher's home and in the home it was just very strict God's mean, god's this, god's that.
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And I remember, about seven years old, I had my own encounter with God, just where I felt God's grace and I knew that God had called me to love people back to life.
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At that young age, and even though my dad didn't believe in women preachers at the time, I knew that God didn't make a mistake with me and so, even when I went wayward, I always knew God's grace and I'm thankful for that.
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And so, as a kid, I'm thankful that I was raised in the heritage that I was raised in.
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I'm thankful that I was raised around, knowing that God is the kind of God that will go after the least, bring them out.
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He loves to use people with the worst past to create the best futures, and that's always stuck with me.
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I'm really thankful for even the rough religion that I was raised in, because it kept me literally centered on a good, good father.
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I so appreciate that, kim, and as I listened through to what you said there, I mean I can't wait to hear a little bit more about your story.
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There's a quote that I borrowed from Rory Vaden, who says we are most powerfully positioned to help the person that we used to be.
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I can hear that and I can see that in your story.
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I mean, it's something that rings true for so many of us.
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We're here to talk today about your new book, though Unstuck 90 Days of Inspiration, encouragement and the Promise of New Life by not just Kim Jones, but by Real Talk, kim.
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So I want to learn a little bit more about that as well, but specifically about the book.
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This is not your first book.
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You've written many.
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Why this book and who did you write it for?
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You know, I was the type of person that my whole life I was in special ed like.
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All throughout my whole childhood, all the way through elementary, junior high, high school, I always had to leave for an hour to go get extra help.
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And that label that I held onto didn't even realize that that was a rejection route that the enemy had placed in me, because he knew, at about 40 years old, I was going to figure it out and I was going to figure out that God had his hand on my life and that thieves don't rob empty vaults.
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And so I wrote this book because it is for those people, number one, that don't like to finish books.
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I always wrote all six of my books that I've written.
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I mean, I am the most uncommon author because I still don't know where commas go.
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I thank God for editors.
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I literally write my post the way I talk and you got to be in the Holy Ghost to interpret it.
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But I wrote this book because I know how important it is that when you're finding yourself feeling like you're stuck, we all do.
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We all go through those seasons in our life where we feel like man.
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If I wouldn't have married that person, my daddy told me not to and I did it anyway.
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I set myself back.
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I was married 18 years when that marriage ended.
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I was the only one in my family that couldn't keep a marriage and I was beating myself up and I realized one day that I'm not stuck because I'm not a tree.
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And I remember laying in my bed one night and I was like God, take this pain away from me.
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And I was praying those prayers like God was a Jenny in a bottle and I remember that night so distinctly, at 37, 38 years old, when I heard the Lord say to me just a still small voice I can't take it away.
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You got to get up and walk away from it.
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You got to break the labels, and so this book is literally 90 days.
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I think it takes three months to really level out, like when you've been stuck, when you've walked through rejection, when you walk through pain.
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Sometimes it takes a minute to get yourself unstuck from the way you've been thinking, from the labels that were put on you, from the relationships that you were in, that the enemy sent to be counterfeits to cause you to stay stuck 90 days.
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It's one devotion a day where I talk about.
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I will have you know in that Bible because I talk about people in that word that God used that went the wrong direction, like Jonah told to go to Nineveh, he's like peace out.
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I don't feel like listening to you because you ain't been here for me, but yet God sent a fish and said fish, go follow Jonah, because he's going to need transportation back to where I told him to be in the first place.
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And so that's what this whole 90 day unstuck is about.
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It's letting you know that you got the power and, as long as you got a pulse, god's got a plan.
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But you've got to see it.
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You've got to move your leg even when you don't know where you're going.
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So, every day, 90 days, if you'll commit to this unstuck journal with me, it's easy to read.
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It's for people that don't have a big memory to stick to something you will be unstuck in three months.
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I'm saying the first month, greg.
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Kim, you're so spot on and for me, I mean, I've read, I've had a chance to preview the book and I know it's coming out today as we release this podcast At the same time your book's coming out.
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But for me, you're right, I don't have that long memory.
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It's an opportunity for me and I love you share a verse, you share a story, a part of your story as well.
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That's very impactful.
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So it's not one of those things that you're just kind of making it up as you read it, it's your story.
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And then you have a prayer at the end of each devotional.
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That just gets everybody focused and, to your point, gets them unstuck.
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So you're also an entrepreneur, you're a coach and I'm curious, as you've come across and my guess is you've written this based on some of those stories of the folks that you coach as well what are some of the things that keep us stuck in that space that don't allow us?
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I mean, you mentioned it takes 90 days to get out of it, but what are the things that keep us stuck?
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You know, I really don't even give it 90 days.
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I think everybody's walks different.
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I think that three months is the longest you should stay stuck in, anything Like if God got up in three days, you should be able to get up in three days, you know.
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But I know that other people, you know, when we've been raised in certain homes and we've not had great examples, especially in today's world, christians ain't even doing a whole lot of good these days.
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You know they're debating on social media and I feel like that the reason we get stuck is because of pages we follow on social media.
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You know, pages that keep us stuck, thinking, looking at their life and thinking, man, they're doing so much more than me at this age.
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And before we know it, the enemy it says in the word of God that the enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy, but he does it through us.
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Nobody else can stop us from pursuing what God's called us.
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Nobody can y'all, nobody can stop you and disqualify you from doing the calling of God on your life.
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And every single one of us have a call, or you wouldn't be here, and it's to make heaven more crowded.
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And the way you make heaven more crowded is own your truth.
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Stop being embarrassed of the path that you took.
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Maybe it was different from what your daddy wanted you to do, your mama wanted you to do, but when you came out of your mama on your birthday and the doctors heard wow, hell, her purpose destiny, a game changer, a nation shifter, a demon slayer, a trailblazer.
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And so when we realize that there ain't nothing that can keep us up, we're only stuck at the capacity of our brain.
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So watch who you're hanging with.
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The five closest friends are a prophecy into your future.
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Stop quitting.
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Realize that it was a bad day, not a bad life.
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It was a bad decade, but you got free life, college.
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When you walk through that divorce, you got free life, college.
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You know how to tell people how to get up from the pits of hell, and so get up, get up out of your thoughts.
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Stop allowing people to keep talking about your past.
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Put them in the balcony, love them from up there.
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Stop letting people that only are connected to your now.
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You can't hang out with people that are connected to your now or your past.
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You can't hang out with people that are going where you want to go, and so that's what keeps us stuck.
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You, y-o-u, you keep yourself stuck because you don't really believe that when you were born, god took strategic time creating every flaw that you see, and the flaw to you is flawsome to him.
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That's what keeps us up our minds.
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Listen up, listeners.
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Real talk.
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Kim is bringing it to you right there in terms of understanding, because you know, I I think I just checked off about three boxes.
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I wanted to ask, with regards to some of those things, the isms that you have in this book are pretty cool.
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You need to align with people who fit your destiny, not your history.
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Just love that in.
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Where did that name come from?
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Where did the real talk come from, Kim?
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How did you grow into that, or were you always like that?
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You know what?
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I was always trying to prove a point my whole life, trying to become something where I was validated.
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And that real talk, kim, came whenever my 18-year marriage ended.
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My two little boys I mean I fought like hell, literally, I fought hell.
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My two little boys I mean I fought like hell, literally, I fought hell to find myself.
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After that 18-year marriage ended, I had to find me again.
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I had to literally sit in a room at my mom's house with no I mean I was talking about pride being taken away from me.
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I got humble pie served to me and I was mad at everybody else pointing fingers at everybody else when three more were pointing back at me.
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And I remember one night I'm at my house and you know it's crazy because you realize the people that you were needing validation from were never really even valid to give you the affirmation that you needed.
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God was supposed to give you that all the time and we lost that because of our self-esteem or what we walked through or the decisions we made that caused us delayed, and so one night I'm laying in my bed at my mama's.
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A lot of things happened in that room that I thought was my pit.
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It was really getting me ready for my palace and I was laying in my bed one night and I went on Twitter and it was when Twitter was just becoming now it's X.
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It was becoming popular back then and I was just scrolling through it because I was alone and I was feeling sorry for myself and I just went on there because I saw an ad for it and I went and I wanted to open the account.
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And I opened the account with Kim Jones.
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It was taken, kimberly Jones was taken, kimberly Ann Jones was taken.
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And they said we suggest, because it's what they do, we suggest, and they give you different names for suggestion, for your handle.
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And they gave me Real Talk, kim, and I thought that's so crazy, I'll just take it tonight.
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I don't even know anything about Twitter.
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Anyway, I took that name and didn't go back on it for two years and I remember I was literally coming out.
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I was working at Bloomingdale's at the time.
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I was finding me.
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I was breaking off depression and generational curses and I mean I was literally getting so saved.
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Being raised in a preacher's home did not get me saved.
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It was me hitting rock bottom and finding the rock at the bottom which was Jesus and I literally went back on because I got to preach my first sermon at 41.
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And they had a flyer and they said please share it on all your platforms.
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And so I was like, well, I got a Twitter, let me see if I can remember.
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And I went back in and it was Real Talk, kim, and I had 11,000 followers and I was like what?
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But I had been on Facebook doing little one minute clips in my car that weren't even that good.
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I was just talking to me, prophesying to me Today's your day.
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You're coming out of this thing.
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Giving up ain't an option.
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And those videos had gotten me known on platforms that I wasn't even present on.
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I was in my healing.
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I was in my birthing process and didn't even know it and I went on there and had 11,000 followers and then, a year later, preachers of Atlanta came to me and said we want a crazy show.
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But it was God.
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God used it to elevate me because I made him more famous.
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But I ended up with that name that God gave me because God is in the details and he knew that he was going to use me to set millions of people free from themselves to find him.
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And that name Real Talk Kim would already let them know you coming on this page.
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There ain't no apologies for what comes out of my mouth, because God is leading me and that's how it was birthed through Twitter.
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So God is in the details.
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Through the suggested list from Twitter.
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I love that.
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Actually, that is so fascinating to hear that story.
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I mean there are things, if we are listening to the whispers, that God is talking to us, right, and there are some things that we just can't deny as we look back on them.
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Can't deny.
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Cannot deny them as you look back and hopefully you recognize them when they happen.
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I know I have those stories in my life in terms of he was whispering to me and I let him go and I and I look back a few years later I'm like I think he was telling me something I wasn't quite ready for.
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So, uh, I love that as a story and actually it reminded me to again.
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The titles of some of your devotions are really cool from scars to stars, uh, a lot of these level up and get up and things like that.
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In fact, when your last book was titled, you got to get up.
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So you're, you're challenging people to move forward.
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But then one of the ones that really stuck with me and I read it and I'd love to hear your story about it.
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If you ain't dead, god ain't done.
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Don't tell me about that one A little, just a little bit.
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That quote that isn't.
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I think I realized that nobody was coming to get me up.
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Like I could lay in that bed of affliction feeling sorry for myself.
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I could beat myself up for all the crap I did.
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That was not God.
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I could blame him for it, or I could realize that as long as I ain't dead I woke up this morning I may still be eating romaine noodles because that's all I can afford.
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I might've lost my credit score and can't buy cheese with my credit, but, baby, as long as I got breath in my lungs, I can praise my way out.
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And that's where that came from.
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As long as you, if you can grasp the reality that God, when he was creating you that big old nose that you don't like, that five finger forehead that you don't like he was creating you with distinction.
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And it all is a part of now, the minute y'all.
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It ain't never too late for you to have a wake up moment where you're like you know what I've been, stalking this person that I wasn't good enough for.
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They walked out of my life.
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They didn't beat that addiction for me.
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You can sit and talk about what your daddy did 48 years ago.
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You can do all of those things, but until you realize that the reason the enemy's been fighting you is not because you're weak, but it's because you're strong.
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And the only way he could keep you down was in your self-esteem, in your story that you're ashamed to tell.
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He can only do that as long as you give him the power.
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He has no power.
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In fact, he is so scared of you that he looks under his bed every night to see if you're under there.
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Like he knows your power because God created you.
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And so that's when I say if you ain't dead, god ain't done.
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If you can just grasp that, even if you don't know where you're going, you just say I'm putting one foot in front of the other.
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I'm OCD y'all, but I need to put everything in.
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Once I get this correct, then I'm going to do this.
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No, no, no.
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It's stepping out and saying, god, I'm going to fly.
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I'm stepping out of this place of depression, this place of complacency, this place of insecurity, this place of broke, and I'm going to start prophesying Amos 9.13 out of that message version.
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It says it won't be long.
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Now God's decree said things are about to happen so fast.
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My head is about to spin when you start realizing that, just because the curtain had closed on a season or a chapter or decades that you invested in and that season ended and that curtain closed in your life.
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That curtain closed because the production you thought was over, but it was really God setting you up for now, and so, as long as you ain't dead, you get up and praise your way out, even if you don't know where you're going.
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He's a lamp unto my feet, a light unto my path, and you move.
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He'll bless what you think you came.
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Hey listeners, I want to take a quick moment to share something special with you.
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Kim, I so appreciate what you have to say.
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That is real talk, no doubt about it.
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I mean one of the things that I'd love to kind of shake and rattle, and I'm going to share this episode with some folks who keep talking about can't wait till I get to the day when I retire that I can check out.
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And the fact is, when we think we're done, we've just begun.
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I mean, that's an ism that I've used many times and God's got a lot of work for us to do until we don't have a breath left.
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So when we?
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think we're done.
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We've just begun and it's really something that we've got to go for.
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We're not retiring.
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We're there to reinvent and to do something different, because we weren't put on here, we weren't put on earth just to retire and kind of hang around, sit around a pool or play golf as much as those things are fun and good to do.
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We've got purpose in our lives and impact to make with the people that we chat with.
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I appreciate you sharing that.
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I am curious when you think about Kim.
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I mean look, you're a successful podcast host.
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You're an influencer We'll call it the influencer on social media in terms of the number of followers that you have.
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You're a pastor at a large church.
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You are an executive coach and a mentor to so many you mentioned on your podcast early on.
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You're at 51, you're in the best shape of your life that you've ever been.
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What are some disciplines that you've had to put in place for you, kim, because you're doing a lot of things for others.
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But what are the things, what are the disciplines that you could give to a leader and say you can do all these things and take care of yourself you know, I was the type of person, until I hit 50, that if you saw me running, you better run too, because somebody's chasing me.
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I just uh, in fact, every time I go for my yearly checkup, they'd be like you exercise.
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I'm like, yeah, I preach, and they're like that is not exercising.
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I began to pray for myself when I hit 50.
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I used man, I'm in pre-mental power, we use all the excuses and I really started praying intentional prayers like God, I want to get my temple healthy, and I never dreamed in a million years that I was going to get me a six pack, or never dreamed in a million years that I was going to have a man, a fire in me, like I did better than I've ever felt in my life, that I would get discipline to be able to make up in my mind, and I'm the type of person that I need accountability.
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So every time I would do something, I'd be like y'all, we could do anything for 30 days.
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So I'll get online and be like snacks with RTK, which not just necessarily means getting our physical bodies under control, but it's getting our insides right and I'll bring people on journeys with me, and so that's always been the way that I roll.
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I'm going to bring all the people I can that will sign up and do this snacks with me, and we're going to hold each other accountable.
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And that's how I started at 50.
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I would get on my prayer calls that I do every Monday through Friday on all my pages at 8 AM and I'd have my workout clothes on and I'd be like y'all, I'm going to the track and I'd put up every y'all.
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I used to hate when people put out my workout stuff and I would show him.
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He sounded like a baby elephant learning how to walk.
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I was like I'm dying, but I kept doing it.
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I kept doing it and here I am at 51 years old.
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Lost everything at 36, thought my life was over, and here I am at 51.
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And in the last 11 years, written six books, got a huge publisher for my last two books and I'm out here working out and living the example that I'm preaching.
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And so it ain't never too late.
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I'm telling you we're on something right now where I'm making everybody do these workouts.